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to sum upçó the earlier questioning about lack of competition among the top ten out of ten of the largest awards in theater. i was disheartened to see that result from the data that we seem to have turned@@zzzz check, i've been
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listening carefully the chairman, mr. tebow in his opening statement spoke about the employees and we heard several commissioners talk about that. co-chairman shays talked about the risk of featherbedding of employees who were not working. the gao study on page 7 says conversely, there have also been instances of contract to personnel being double counted in the census. and most concerning, commissioner zakheim noted that there could be a strong reason during the drawdown for contractors to engage in extra billing by being slow to actually take employees off the payroll or out of theater. the reason the taliban possibility most concerns me and
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other of the commissioner zakheim correctly pointed out pointing back to our experience in the vietnam war is that we're also going to be engaged in a major effort to recruit new personnel what kind of credential for an afghan to be sent by his tribal chief to be an afghan policeman that he has previous experience as a contractor? an american contractor and after all, if he's a ghost employee it must be favorable ñperience. ghost employees don't cause trouble on the work site. they don't destroy things. they're just not -- they're not found with alcoholism problems. is it found in afghanistan under the current system, mr. motsak? >> the first one is the most
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important. there are taliban employees. the commander of the field, or i should say the co-com commander general petraeus has made it a conscious effort to as part of his strategy to hire local nationals and i can't talk in this form nor am i the qualified to talk about it. and the ledger. and that's part of the strategy so i have to leave it at that. and so in any segment of the population, and switcht o loyalties. and that has been part of the strategy. we don't have double counting everyone side the database.
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and the census and there's a lot of things that you can contribute to that because we naturally assume that a person works a man day or a man week or a man month or a man year against this contract and without an electronic database you find that that's not necessarily true, but their workers are portioned out. one of the things you've asked me hundreds of times and i can't provide for you is what -- how many of your pfcs are doing site security? how many are doing personal security? and how many are doing movement security and the answer is i can tell you in any given instant, it's a fictitious number because some of those people do all three and depending on what day of the week it is what they're focused on. you do have that same challenge. >> mr. motsak, i'm almost out of time and i want to note that i will have questions for the record on competition from mr. hutton. my time has expired. >> thank you, commissioner henke? >> i will start with in hutton
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and go to, and and the agency's continued to face challenges tracking contractors and personnel and contracts in iraq and afghanistan. continue to face challenges is a fairly broad understatement. but the report is 60-some pages long and you get into the back of the report and you made three recommendations and dod disagreed with all three. so i want to get at that issue. i have to simplify it and the recommendations are that they have a plan with timeliness that will ensure right earia for what is consistent with the law and what the agency's information needs are. number one, dod disagreed. number, two the second recommendation is that you should have -- the agencies should have uniform requirements and how contract numbers are
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entered and whether they're 12 digits or 13 digits and how they pull information from fpds and dod disagreed and number three, you recommended that the agency should revise spot reporting capabilities to ensure that they fulfill statutory requirements and agency's information needs and dod disagreed. my question for you, sir, briefly is that a fair synopsis of your big three recommendations of the report. yes, commissioner henke. >> were you surprised that dod disagreed in all three? >> quite frankly, i was a bit surprised because i think what these recommendations are doing is they get at the heart of what action needs to be taken and what was peculiar to me was some reference to requiring further statutory authority and i couldn't see that connection as to where that was coming from. >> exactly. >> andçó it's a good report, bu not to be -- not to criticize
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it, but i think some of the recommendations areñi fairly straightforward. it's firly vanilla, perhaps. it's good government stuff, it seems to me, with that as background, mr. motsak, not to put you on the spot again, but okay, let's do it. why would dod disagree fairly strongly with all three gao recommendations? >> i've already eluded to the first one over and over again and that is i can write as many plans as iñ want. the mou is a plant for execution. i have no teeth. did the gao say give motsak the teeth to make this happen? the answer is no. it's another mou. it's another bogus side, a bunch of guys sitting around the table discussing the issue and we're not going to come up with the solution. i need something more than that. >> okay. >> okay, and mr. hutton is disagreeing. go ahead, sir. >> quite frankly, i think what we are asking for is while they did agree -- or they signed an
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mou, i think what our work is showing a year and a half going on two years down the road is i don't see that embracement of what the overall objectives are in terms of collecting the state. we find that not all agency are onboard. this is our way of looking for the management focus howñno to better ensure that a year from now we're continuing to see some improvement, but we'll see more rapid improvements. i don't think without that plan -- mr. motsak, go ahead. usa put their 6 sxhun some odd employees that made -- met the criteria as they defined it as ó contractor in iraq. they met the requirement. i told you i thought that was inadequate. congress now agrees it's inadequate and they clarified the law. ? they clarified the law. so that is a deal and it will go in due course and we'll find out
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whetheá/%ruu$at 600 and some odd number nowmy appreciably increases as everyone else gets in there, but we can have -- we've had management meetings. we ton have management meetings. >> right. but again, you cannot force compliance on someone without q authority to enforceñhr compliance. >> but go at that issue. what authority do you need that you're lac)"jtñ >> well, we've discussed. first of all, decide what the hell the system is. if it's a u.s. government system. >> right. >> then something someone like omb will establish a -- >> a funding scheme. >> a funding scheme and inner agencyñi criteria as to what's going -- what you're going to do. i don't mind being an executive agent, my urge is to do that, but don't tell me over and over again to come up with a coordinated letter of consultation, and a committee or something. this is too big and too tough to do it on the good old boy netwo network. you're going to have to bite the bullet and decide who is in charge and give them


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